Gunela Astbrink 0:00 and Klaus joining us. Okay, so, welcome everyone. And I don't think we've had any apologies at this stage. Okay. So we are going to go straight into the review of the action items. And agilely you've got you've got the screen for those. There's quite a few from last time. I remember that Joly MacFie 0:35 just a minute here. Sure. Share Screen. Gunela Astbrink 0:54 Calls. Yep. Joly MacFie 0:57 Accessibility calls. 24. Gunela Astbrink 1:02 Yep. Okay. Yeah, no, the the the one earlier. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So there were quite a few. No, that's not the one Joly that's for the IGF discussion. So yeah, that's the one on April the 13th. So there were few items here. Alumni call action jolly to introduce gondola and I don't think that has happened. So we'll just put put them there to, to remind, to remind us of of things still to be done. And while you're less writing, is there any other business that we should add to discuss? Anything from busca? sahkari or suara? No. Okay. I have an item about ICANN 77 and talking about IDN internationalized domain names and universal acceptance and accessibility. So I'll just mention that under item six. Okay. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 2:43 Allah I have I have few even update, I have three bent in line with global accessibility on this date. So I can update you. Gunela Astbrink 2:52 Okay, fantastic. All right. So we can add that as well. Is there anything else? And yep. Okay. All right. So back to the action items. So genossen associate is some guide. And Joly was going to introduce me to that. know you've been, Joly MacFie 3:22 I've been, I've been slacking this month. Gunela Astbrink 3:25 Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You've been slacking by doing huge number of calls and stuff. So yes. Were slacking. Okay. So that's actually become urgent with genossen because of the travel funding. Joly MacFie 3:45 Okay. I mean, genossen will have his hands full until this week. You know what I mean? Gunela Astbrink 3:50 Yeah, of course. Yeah, yep. So urgent after gad finishes. So that's the 19th. That finishes right at 19. Yep. Okay. So the next one is formulated surveys or carry gone or to follow up that's going well. So psychiatry, drafted that a number of us put in comments that went into to the team at the Internet Society Foundation, do you want would you like to add some things to clarity to that? Yama Zakari 4:33 All all is in the mail. So we are where you are. We are just waiting some some review of the survey from the Internet foundation and from the ISOC foundation. So after that, we will get just put it online. And son Yeah, Gunela Astbrink 4:52 yes, yes. So that should be great. So we were pleased we've got that going. And that's fine. mine. All right, so the next one is for gondola, Anjali to work on the wiki structure, which neither of us have done. So that's to continue. Right. Okay. Okay, so that's fine. And then going down. Governor to follow up with Andrew Sullivan, about accessibility resolutions by the Board of Trustees, which I did tonight. So that's good. And so now, we'll wait and see what he has to say. So that's that's been done Joly MacFie 6:06 through guy. Should I sort of document that letter and sort of file it? So it's part of the record? Gunela Astbrink 6:15 Yes, that wouldn't hurt at all. Yeah, because that's yes. Good idea. And you would have noted, if you'd had a chance to see it, I recognize that was only sent out very recently that I included a link to the to the Google Doc that James Ward had done a with a revision or a follow up to our 1.1 draft of the accessibility framework. And, and so I know that we had a meeting after that, and I added a few other things, which isn't in that document, but it's an important document to have, as I suppose to be the latest or thrice isn't the word, the latest framework, even though we would still like to have some further additions, but that hasn't, we haven't had a meeting with the internal working group because they haven't responded to my suggestion of having one. So we'll, we'll see where it goes. All right. And welcome, Klaus. Okay. All right. We're just going through the action items. So nothing for you yet but there will be so that's fine. And the action to do a tribute video to Shabir I think now we're sort of in between him initiating and finalizing the resolutions and he's ending his term in June so we should aim to have the video done by I'm not sure when he's finishing sometime middle of June at the think it's June at the the AGM of the board. So that's something for us to work on from now, before our next meeting, and I think if if we can I think I've got got some general guidelines from a PR IDF on doing short videos, so a minute or so. And and then we can try and be as uniform in our approach and then if Joly could put back together would be fantastic. Okay, all right. So that's something for everyone to think about how to how to do that. Alright, so I've got one an action item for me a PRGF video guidelines. Okay. And, yes, the online training course this is a very long running, frustrating area where we thought there would be funding coming from ISOC to develop and deliver the course. But now we're looking at funding applications to be on the net large grants. And we've got an agenda item on that, which is straight after we review the action items. So we'll come back to that one, because that could maybe require a bit of discussion and then the, and then we've got suara. This is IgM IGF planning Swaran will help develop awareness training idea. I'm not exactly sure could Swaran Could you explain that particular one place? It might have to do with a workshop proposal. Joly MacFie 11:01 APR, like, you know, Asian Asia Pacific IGF? Gunela Astbrink 11:05 Oh, it's under the APR IGF? Yes. Okay. So Swaran has, has organized a workshop proposal for four APR IGF Eswaran, did you want to say anything about that? We can talk generally about APR, IGF and IGF and later agenda item, if you wish. Swaran Ravindra 11:30 Just an update, we had some issues with submission. form has some major issues, and they weren't able to rectify it. So I just ended up copying and pasting the items into a word form. And then I submitted it to them. We've We've received confirmation that it has definitely been submitted. Yeah, so I've tried with the different browsers, different Internet connections. But they came up with some what I would feel a rather lousy excuses. I mean, they said that it had something to do with copying too much and pasting, but I was typing things out. I was like literally typing everything out. So it made me wonder if, if other colleagues of ours in the group would would have faced similar issues. But anyway, so that's done. As a Korean I have worked on the IGF proposal as well. But it's not very straightforward, because we need to be members. And there's quite a lot of things that the form requires. So we went over it last week. And then we stopped so I sort of privatized a pre IGF proposal, because I just got back on Sunday. So yeah, that's, that's done now. And I was just gonna ask the guy if, you know, later this week, if we can start working on the IGF proposal, but the proposal part is pretty much complete. The only part that's missing is us fitting in the pool, you know, our lack of complete profiles into the idea photo. And becoming part of the community is exaggerated mentioned. Okay. Gunela Astbrink 13:10 All right. Well, that's, that's a minor detail compared to actually putting together their proposal because that's quite quite a lengthy thing to do. So, Vashkar Bhattacharjee 13:25 yes, I just successfully submitted one proposal and didn't face any problem. Yeah. And also just the three panelists from fizzy judging, Georgina Pakistan, Sabir, and myself, and you are the moderator. And also there is any moderator, Mr. Farnum, from a school of Asia Pacific Internet, School of internal governance desert. So this is just a follow up date. And that is a banking accessibility proposal. Gunela Astbrink 13:58 Yep. That's excellent. Yes. And I'm glad that that you found a form accessible. So that's, that's very encouraging. And, but I know that there were some fellowship applications from persons who were visually impaired and there were considerable difficulties with it and and the APR IDF Secretaries have been informed. And also we've had communication from APNIC who system APR RGF users, and they will be updating their system in the next half a year or so to make it compliant with The weekend 2.1 Double A plus a whole lot of other usability factors. So that's that's very encouraging to. Okay. We'll come back to the IGF. Yeah, so since we've we've talked about the APR IGF applications from Wasko. And from Swaran, I can add bet, there's been a third one from that has been organized through an Australian colleague, Wayne Watkins. And that is on public procurement. So. So we know that we have three applications, but both for workshops, and there is another one more general one on digital inclusion, which I've been asked to participate in as well, which will cover some accessibility issues. So from their point of view, where we have more or less Joly MacFie 16:04 on this agenda, this agenda item, or are we talking about this later? Under Under Item four on the agenda, yeah, Gunela Astbrink 16:14 we started talking about it now. So I just wanted to go off and then we want me to talk more about the APR. IGF we'll concentrate on the i Joly MacFie 16:25 Yes, it's not in the action item. So I can ignore it. Gunela Astbrink 16:29 That's okay, that's fine. So we'll go to Agenda Item three, which is the online training course. And, as I mentioned before, there's a lot of frustration from me, and, and others, that it seems that there were promises made by ISOC, that there would be funding to develop and deliver the online course. But now, they they don't have the funds, and they saying, apply for beyond the net, large grants and work with a chapter, and, and so forth. So I've spoken to a few people. I know, we we were looking we were talking another time about the New York chapter, we talked about the Australian chapter, there's a possibility maybe or contacting the Hong Kong chapter, all of these have good possibilities of of transferring funds from one country to another and possibly having a P cig. involved in some way too. So there are all possibilities. And and I think we we we need to work out how best to do this. It's one of these applications. I haven't seen it, but it will require a fair bit of work. I should also point out that we were initially invited by Nick and this is an aside, but I wanted to mention it in relation to beyond the net large grants. And and that is that Nick Harry? Who is the European what's his title? Your engagement management? That's one yes. And he invited, invited myself and I suggested psychiatry and class to participate to be speakers, because it all had to do with accessibility and and based on the resolutions, but what I got a response from Nick, just the other day, Joly MacFie 19:13 because where I'm I'm lost. Gunela Astbrink 19:17 Ah, sorry, this is just on their monthly call online call. Yeah, so it's just it apparently in Europe, they have a monthly check to school that is facilitated by ISOC. Joly MacFie 19:34 So how does this relate to online training? Gunela Astbrink 19:37 This relates to that he told me that the chapter from Bosnia Herzegovina have put in a successful beyond the net large grant. So I'm just saying that this background because we could we well, I can I can check In with them and and see if there's any synergies and and yeah, if that's how they're going to go about it. So that's that's the link. So just saying Joly MacFie 20:14 that's an action trip. Gunela Astbrink 20:17 Uh, yeah. Okay, action for me to talk to Bosnia Herzegovina I think we need to have had to go Lyonnais led to he said, God i na. Yeah. Okay. So if we look at the various chapters that we can link in with. We have, we have New York chapter, Australia and Hong Kong as possibilities as possibilities. Now, the New York chapter, you know, support the accessibility SIG and has, you know, set up a sub account, etc, etc. But it's going through Joly MacFie 21:20 the coaster car, he mentions in the WhatsApp that he lost his connection. Gunela Astbrink 21:25 Oh, right. Okay. Yama Zakari 21:28 It's okay. Now, Julie. Thank you. So okay. Gunela Astbrink 21:31 Okay, that's good. That's good. Okay, so I have some concerns about where the board is in the New York chapter. So that's, that's one thing. Oh, Joly MacFie 21:47 an election is eminent in the New York chapter. Gunela Astbrink 21:52 It's been eminent for months. Joly MacFie 21:54 Yeah. But it was actually scheduled to begin yesterday. So I actually, you know, Greg came out of the woodwork. I've set up a form for expression of interest. He's going to supposedly come back with a schedule to meet today. So this is, you know, I will push it through. Also, I can report today that I just filed the report on the outstanding webinar series. Grant. Yeah. Whether that'll be satisfactory or not as to be seen, but it's filed. Gunela Astbrink 22:34 When you say that's filed on behalf of the accessibility SIG you, because some funds were Joly MacFie 22:42 Yeah, yeah. No, there was a there was a webinar series and that was, you know, 2021 postponed to 2022. Which should be, yeah. Okay. So anyway, I filed it, if they come back and ask for receipts, you know, so it's still, you know, it's still like, a little. Anyway, it's fine. Gunela Astbrink 23:05 Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. All right. Yeah. So we, we can, we can, I suppose, to be honest, I've, I've had some frustrating experiences with with funding and, and, and working, you know, with people who have too much else to do, and, and I just think that we need to we need to make sure that there is one or two chapter officers who can really, really support this. So, Joly MacFie 23:49 so the the other thing was that it was proposed, I forget by who that I be become a financial officer of the accessibility sake. So that so that I could, you know, along with Judith, who is already the treasurer, and so unless I get the, I get the debit card, the hands on the accounts, and this will probably involve me going into the bank with the ISOC, NY treasurer and getting my name on the account, but Gunela Astbrink 24:24 okay, that's good. Okay. Good to know. We talked about that. A year ago, I think so it's really good, that that you you're doing that and and do you think that together with Judas that you would have the time to disburse funds to do to do some that need to be some reckoning, because it's a large grant. There's supposed to be experienced with having a previous large grants were supposed to be, you know, accounting for the funds, financial statements, etc. So do you feel that the New York chapter can can do that? Joly MacFie 25:22 They've handled them before. I mean, you know, not me, not Judith. And you know, I'm not correct. I don't I'm not sure if Greg, but Gunela Astbrink 25:35 I have never seen a financial statement when I was working with accessibility sake. Joly MacFie 25:45 So I got I got a bank statement out of do this. Or, Gunela Astbrink 25:52 yeah, but yeah, it needs to be more than that. It really does. Joly MacFie 25:58 Which, which, you know, debits. And in fact, I was surprised how minimal it was. There was only there was only one invoice in 2022, there was only one invoice for captioning for at get rich event, and I thought we ran, you know, several events. And, you know, there's only you know, as far as I could see, you know, accessibility, so there's only paid for captioning once. And we certainly ran several events, some of it, some of it I've paid for, and I've got to invoice them for and that's a that's a thing. That's outstanding. Yeah. Okay, that's off the top off the table here. Gunela Astbrink 26:43 Yeah, no, that's, that's fine, Joey. It's just that. To do a large grant requires probably more more supervision, more financial reporting, more substantial systems. And, and, and that, I just have some concerns for it. So I'm just expressing my experience. But let's go through the three possible chapters. And if there are any other chapters, if possible chapters that we could align with, for something like this. This is opportunity talk about it. So the Australia chapter, obviously, I've, I was on the board for 10 years, and, and we applied for ages to go for. Joly MacFie 27:40 One thing that's kind of different now is, which came up at the North American School of Internet governance was, was, I proposed, I proposed that ISOC DC, put in a grant of captioning and ISOC Puerto Rico is running the event. And they said, we we will not fund two chapters to do the same thing. And this is a change of policy from how it used to be where they encouraged collaboration between chapters. And they said, Well, this is apparently you know, some I believe African chapters were trying to like double dip. They change they had got to change a policy. Now it seems a little stupid to me, but that's, you know, that it's sort of the, you know, multi chapter project should be an encouraged thing. But, but only one chapter can apply for a grant relating to any single activity. multiple chapters cannot. Gunela Astbrink 28:44 I did look at the under met funding criteria. And there were, I thought that it may be not working with another chapter, but certainly working with other organizations, so that came into it as well. And they seem to think that that was okay. So but, I mean, we'd need to, we need to be checking all the eligibility criteria carefully so that we, we, we know what fits, but Okay, let's move on. So if we can just go through that Australian chapter has has run projects has also organized the, the Australian version of the IGF in the past, etc, etc. So it's, it's got experience and it's got some active members and And, yeah, and I can be involved in that as well. So then we have a Hong Kong chapter. And and the, the link there is with Charles Mach who used to chair the Hong Kong chapter a number of years ago, and I think has is still involved at a distance. But they, they seem to be a strong chapter and can also organize funding to go from from one country to another. And that that's a, that's a problem with this particular funding application, because we would be looking at funding a company to actually develop and deliver on the actual course. So so they could be in the US, they could be in India, there could be anywhere. And and so that's where we need to ensure that the best money transfer can happen without too much trouble. It does anyone have any other other ideas about particular particular chapters could could we could link with and it would be good. It would be good to have one that we are involved with at some in some way. So I mean, I know vasca, for example, we have Bangladesh chapter, there's problems with moving money around, and we've swapped and Joly MacFie 31:56 the only the only chapter I really have good relations with that, you know, that I've would have confidence in would be the UK, England and Olivia. Gunela Astbrink 32:05 Right. Okay. Yeah. Um, who is running that one out? You know, Joly MacFie 32:13 I think it's, I think it's still kind of Deseret, and Adobe is still basically. Gunela Astbrink 32:20 Right, right. Okay. Okay, so are we in a position to? Well, first of all, I mean, this is quite a big thing, too. Are there any questions about what we're talking about? Before we, Joly MacFie 32:42 I was just interested in what you said about formation of a company? Or why is that necessary? Gunela Astbrink 32:48 Now, I'm not talking about formation of a company, I'm talking about having funds to contract a company or freestanding company to actually set up the development and delivery. I mean, it would be the chapter and Joly MacFie 33:10 I just find this extraordinary that the whole rationale of setting up the standing groups versus the six, was this kind of business would be the responsibility of ISOC. Staff. And not us. Yeah. How come we're ending up doing all this? Gunela Astbrink 33:27 I know, I know. I agree. Joly. I agree. I mean, this is ridiculous. Because we are putting in a lot of work to, to put in a funding application, which we have a reasonably good chance of getting but no guarantees to something that, that ISOC said they would do. And, you know, Joly MacFie 33:55 thing on its head, the whole rationale of like this, this current structure was this wouldn't have to happen. Gunela Astbrink 34:03 Okay, so what what could we do instead? Another option would be to to bring this up with Andrew Sullivan to bring it up with Charles mock on on the board, you know, escalated a bit because it it really it really isn't. It's not good. I agree. I agree. It's not good. Joly MacFie 34:34 We should take a patch. Gunela Astbrink 34:37 Okay, yeah, that's what Joly MacFie 34:39 I said to you last time is document just do a simple one pager on what happened, you know, meeting this day this decided this decided this work was done that now funding things, you know, and we go into the chapters and then there's short blurb This is the opposite of what we were led to expect. Gunela Astbrink 34:59 Yeah, yeah. it. Okay, so any any thoughts from anyone else on this? No. Joly MacFie 35:15 All right, putting that down as an action ethically, Gunela Astbrink 35:18 yes. Escalate? Yes. I'd need to think very carefully about, about the wording and also who to approach if Yeah, let let me work on that. Yeah. Okay. All right. So we move we move on, I think we need to move on. Okay. To IGF, we've talked about APR IGF. So we've got that underway. But the deadline, unless it gets extended, is the 19th of May, which is coming up very, very quickly. And so if we can go back to our discussion 10 A week ago, just over a week ago, about a particular workshop proposals and who was doing what? Can you find that jolly? Yep, there it is. So if we go through one by one, and we'll see if these are going to happen or not. So the first one was on AI and the CO propostas. Were class and vasca. Class, you? Would you like to say something here? Klaus Hoeckner 37:10 Yeah, the problem was that I didn't get any any response from from Google, for example. So what can we do alone at the moment? Don't have any other person who is willing to contribute to the thing, and I don't think that we will do it within the next two days. Gunela Astbrink 37:33 That's a shame. Okay. All right. Well, we Klaus Hoeckner 37:36 have another problem because we spoke about it. With there's a conflicting conference also on the other side of the planet. It's It's the m ML labeling Congress, German labeling is also the same date and it is the IETF and Kyoto is. And I'm a member of the GFC of the global leading Council of the of em enabling if I double up to the comp, the conference organizer, that seems to be I have to go there. Gunela Astbrink 38:14 Okay, so you Klaus Hoeckner 38:16 don't know if it can can be used? If there is if there is the possibility to fly to okay to fly to Kyoto and from Kyoto then to Washington, DC it could be but that's the only possibility. There must be when I'm going to kill to them must be something where I can participate. Otherwise, I can't. I can't say against also like it's fun to spend most of our money why I should go to Kyoto when I don't have any room. Gunela Astbrink 38:52 Okay. All right, Joey Betsy, m&a Bling conference am enabling. And okay, so fast. I do understand that predicament. But are there some of the other workshop proposals that you would be able to organize even if you're not attending? Klaus Hoeckner 39:18 We spoke we spoke about this one accessible moments, but that's now made by the it's not made by virtually as far as I understood it. I invited the lady from Barcelona. That's five. Number five. It is so below level. What she said is the chapters are a new chapter. A new chapter is taking it over. It's okay for her. She wants to step down and don't do it. I think it's a good way if it's organized by Charlie. Gunela Astbrink 40:01 Okay, we'll come back to that. Yeah. Okay. All right. So that's a real shame. What about the African one? Class? Number three? Klaus Hoeckner 40:11 One, is this the next the next problem? Because we have a conference in Nairobi in two weeks time. And Irene is the organizer. So if you don't have any time to do anything at the moment, Gunela Astbrink 40:24 okay, all right. Well, that's a real shame. Okay. Klaus Hoeckner 40:28 That's a real shame. Yeah. I can choose as a co organizer. But I don't think that we'll be able to do it within the next two days. Unless unless the extent the application deadline, but I don't think so. Gunela Astbrink 40:48 Okay. All right. So then we come to Swaran. How are you going? With the one that you had suggested, which is accessible elearning Swaran. As a carrier, you mentioned that before, but that you and you both, as far as a carrier have had a bit of a meeting and discussion and and where are you up to with it. Swaran Ravindra 41:21 We're just at the point where we need to where we've discussed all the items, we don't have a plan for the entire hour. The former anon is unconfirmed, we just need to fill in the electronic form, we just need to fit into the whole back was C with a big F proposals you don't really need to have. You don't need to be part of a portal anything. You just go in, and you just basically use the form, right, but with the IGF one, this is my first time applying for a proposal in the IGF photo. So it has a kind I have both work load profiles, took a fair bit of time, last week, so we sort of gave that arrest and started working on a big effort needed to prioritize that first show tomorrow morning. was soon as he confirms we will meet up tomorrow morning in maybe say the next six hours or so. And then we get that done. We sort of closing up on the unit now. Good. Performance is confirmed the questions the speakers, all that is confirmed. Gunela Astbrink 42:28 Fantastic. That's so good to hear. Okay, so we've got one there that is, is definitely happening and just about completed. Swaran Ravindra 42:40 Just to let us know, Judith is traveling and just received an email from Gunela Astbrink 42:46 I'm sorry, I missed that bit. Swaran Ravindra 42:48 Judith, Judith is traveling. So we just received an email from her. So Judith Yeah, she's she's traveling at the moment. Gunela Astbrink 42:57 Okay, so Jody, can you put her as an apology then? Please? Okay. Yama Zakari 43:07 It's okay for me. So I'm here tomorrow morning is my evening. It's okay. to seven hours. Okay. Gunela Astbrink 43:21 Now it's good. You say because we are in such different time zones. So you stay up very late for your calls with fire on I think early morning for SWAT around but what, like six or 7am and it's it's midnight for you? It's a carry cetera? Yama Zakari 43:41 Yes, no problem. I will be ready. Gunela Astbrink 43:45 Fantastic. Okay. All right. It's great. It's, you both seem to really have worked out a good time to, to have meetings, the two of you discuss various things. So so I'm really pleased about that. And, yeah, excellent. All right. So we, I presume the Klaus V. European Accessibility Act, that was very much something for you. And I'm presuming won't happen either. Klaus Hoeckner 44:27 At the last meeting, we decided not to follow it. Uh huh. As far as I understood it last. During the last meeting, we said we don't want to do this because we have the other ones. And unfortunately, okay, the other ones don't, won't happen. So okay, now, I don't think it's a really a really topic for the for the IGF now because European Disability Act is nice, but it's lost European Lords regional More on this topic for the IETF. Gunela Astbrink 45:03 Oh, I think it could have been, but let's not let's let it's not going to happen. So it there's difficulties in the clashes and so forth. So we'll move on. And, and so we come to accessibility and immersive environments. And Joey, how are you going with Tim? Thomas Logan there. Joly MacFie 45:24 Thomas Logan and I have not hooked up, basically. And, you know, I'm the last minute artist, so I can't promise that I won't just pull something out of my hat at the last minute, so. Gunela Astbrink 45:37 Wow. Okay. All right. Well, I it would be fantastic. If you could. So yeah, I'll cross my fingers for you there Jolie that it will happen. Yes. All right. Okay, so then we move on to travel funding. And we've spoken before about possibilities of GED and, and and what's it called the Open tech fund. And also, for persons in developing countries. There is a small fund through the IGF Secretariat. So that would mean that it's worthwhile when it's announced, I don't think it's anywhere near announced yet. There wouldn't be possibilities for Lashkar and, and sahkari and, and so on, actually. So I Are any of you thinking of applying for, for that particular fund or the GED, we need to talk about how that would work. And and so Joly will set up, an intro, for me, once scared is finished, so we can look at that it's an option. And the open tech fund, I don't know much about that's something that Kyle's suggested. And it would require a bit of work to put together say, a joint a group submission, all those people who, who would be presenting or workshop organizers. I've been invited to be a speaker at one, one workshop. And, and so I could could be looking at some of that funding as well as others. All right, so Joly MacFie 47:58 I just poured the same three items on to this. Gunela Astbrink 48:02 Yeah. Yes. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 48:04 So when I let you need to guide me how to apply for IGF fund, because I was not really finding where I can drop my application. And secondly, I'll explore other opportunity also, if our proposal accepted for API's, yep. I think it would be wonderful if we could get the chance to go there. Gunela Astbrink 48:26 Yeah, so APR, IGF in Brisbane is one thing. And then IGF in Japan, Kyoto. Japan is the other one, of course. So. Yes. So Zachary, you indicated you were interested in going to Japan to to the IGF? Yama Zakari 48:50 One Allah. Yes. Gunela Astbrink 48:53 Okay. All right. And Swaran? Swaran Ravindra 48:59 Yes, the Mila. So for AP IGF. I had a discussion with my with the management today. So how it works with our universities that if we have a session that is accepted or something and if this travel funding, if the airline ticket is paid for by sponsor, then they will give us 2 million. So I will not need full funding in that case, but I'm not sure if they will give it to me for both upgrade. Yep. And Energy says Okay, now we're thinking of applying for fellowship for IGF because I've never had an IGF fellowship. But even my gf ones for both both the ones that I have gone through, both of which will because it was during COVID. Yeah, there isn't any financial support afloat. So yeah, we will need like for a PDF I will need airline tickets only. The rest I'll be able to get from my organization. Gunela Astbrink 49:59 I Okay, so so I'm just not clear. So you need you, you you need an airline ticket for IGF or APR, IGF Swaran Ravindra 50:08 or F AGM for AGM is a very enable planning to apply for fellowships. Gunela Astbrink 50:15 Right? Okay. All right. And I'm not sure when they come out. So that's a matter of checking on Vashkar Bhattacharjee 50:30 a policy in the, in the idea proposal, as you as any of you are considering me, as one of the speaker or not, or I need to explore any other groups to apply for any workshop, because I am not proposing any workshop proposal to Swaran Ravindra 50:48 watch. Can I just give me one second? Just give me one second, let me confirm that for you. Gunela Astbrink 50:55 Okay, all right. I think what what we might do is concentrate first on gad. Because that might then Well, that's four, I think persons with disability. So that that would be an option for Vasco and me. And, and then. And then the open tech fund could be something that maybe it would be better for individual funding applications, because we are, we are doing things separately with with the IGF funding and, and Gad. So any thoughts on that? Swaran Ravindra 51:50 vasca. So just confirming that we've already submitted the de pagid proposal has your name on your also WaterFire scheme speakers in the IGF proposal? And we just, it's just a matter of time that will just be submitting that. So yes, you I am both the proposals. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 52:07 Okay, thank you very much. Gunela Astbrink 52:11 Good, good. All right. Okay, so are we clear then what we're doing? I'll just go through it again. So Vaska, Lashkar would apply for the IGF Secretariat funding, and possibly other funding? Joly MacFie 52:54 Yeah, sure needs passwords that you need help with the IGF funding process. Gunela Astbrink 53:00 Yeah, but it hasn't started yet. Joly MacFie 53:05 I wonder Yeah. No wonder you had difficulty. Gunela Astbrink 53:09 Exactly. So it's not been announced yet. So there's time there. But I think in the meantime, that's and that's very competitive, I would suggest that GED could be the way to go. To start with and, and to see how that goes. And and then if that doesn't work, then for vasca to apply for the IGF funding Vasco and me for the GED to start with, because that has to be persons with disability. Joly MacFie 53:49 Magicard Did you ever speak to genossen? The function No. I think you and he would get on. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 54:03 I think I didn't know the is very cool. Gunela Astbrink 54:12 Okay, all right. This is slowing down a bit here. So I think that we will all work on discuss with genossen after gad. And we'll go from there. And and we'll we'll keep on going online with F but but anyway, we've we've certainly for APR IDF. We've got three applications for IDF. We've got at least one maybe two. We'll see how we go. So it's it's good. It's the more the better of course, but we should at least get get some approved one word Oh, okay, so we've got governance of the ASG. And it's just about on the hour. So how can people stay for another 15 minutes? Unknown Speaker 55:17 Okay with me? Okay. Gunela Astbrink 55:20 Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Joly. Are you a little bit unsure? No, I'm fine. You're fine. Okay. All right. So we need to talk about the planning for the the elections coming up later this year, because we've been running for two years by the end of this year. Well, we didn't really start in March. But that's how it goes. So we need to, we need to ensure that there are more persons with disability on the leadership team. And, and we need to have a cross section of people who can can work to to spread the load, I think would be would be really important. So persons who who well, shabby could be interested to two to join. There's two other people who might be interested might and I emphasize that and that could be Vidya why participated in the online, the Bangladesh face to face? Joly MacFie 57:02 VIP ya Gunela Astbrink 57:04 know, the ID ah, ya Vidya Yeah. And the other person is an amateur? Who, who was contracted to, to write the content for the online course. Yeah. And so I be very interested in Joly MacFie 57:27 your need to who you need to the girl from DC? Gunela Astbrink 57:35 I don't know her. Joly MacFie 57:36 You had a meeting. You had a call with her? Gunela Astbrink 57:40 Oh, yes. Yes, I did. Yes. Yes. Yes. She doesn't have a disability as far as I know. But But still, she's she's very keen. And, and talented. Any other suggestions? Because it's good to get people from other regions, because we've got quite a few from the Asia Pacific region, so other regions would be great. Plus, could you suggest anyone? Not at this stage. Okay. Joly MacFie 58:17 There is a girl woman, Anna, who has always been posting accessibility items on the the ISOC. LinkedIn since what? Since forever, who I've never talked to who's in South America. She's either in Argentina or some Latino. You know, that is? No. Gunela Astbrink 58:43 She has posted on LinkedIn. Joly MacFie 58:45 She posts he's been posting accessibility items on the ISOC LinkedIn group. Since you know for 10 years, she keeps posting stuff. Gunela Astbrink 58:59 All right. So Zachary, do you have any suggestions? Yama Zakari 59:05 Yes. I'm thinking about what guy one gang? Sorry, one guy from from my Lee. Who is he has a visual impairment. I think he could be interested. But let me let me talk to him first. Gunela Astbrink 59:24 Oh, good. Good. Is he can he speak English? Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. Yama Zakari 59:31 He's French and English speaker. Gunela Astbrink 59:34 Fantastic. That's really good. Okay. All right. Well, that would be very interesting. Yes. So thanks for that. Because it would be great to have another person from Africa. That would be really good. Okay, Yama Zakari 59:50 I will talk to him this week. And Gunela Astbrink 59:55 thank you very much. Okay. That's excellent. All right. And and swara Do you have anyone in mind? Swaran Ravindra 1:00:03 I was. Well, there's somebody that I haven't met, but I would probably be working with later on to this special school and he's the principal of the special school. So he's involved in technological needs assessment at the moment. But yeah, I'll have to confirm on that. Gunela Astbrink 1:00:24 Okay, all right. That's, that's, that's good. All right. Joly MacFie 1:00:30 So I'm just going to post in the chat the LinkedIn of this. Chat. I'm sharing. I've lost the chat, but I shall post here and in the minutes. Yeah. Isabel Paraguay. Gunela Astbrink 1:00:52 Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes, of course. I've seen her name so much. Yep. Okay. All right. Yes, I? Yeah. Joly MacFie 1:01:05 University of San Paolo. So she's, Gunela Astbrink 1:01:12 okay, so she's Brazilian. Right. Okay. Yeah, that would be good to, to link in with her. Right. And Klaus, you are in Africa at the moment, talking, you know, to Irene about the conference that's happening there. Do you have any names that you could suggest? Maybe they Klaus Hoeckner 1:01:40 have to ask you have to ask them there is there's a guy called Bernard Chiara, but I don't know if he's a member of the, of the ISOC. He He's very active. And he's founder and the mayor is managing incubator. To other persons, fun. Where's Kenya, Kenya? Gunela Astbrink 1:02:04 Okay. All right. Klaus Hoeckner 1:02:07 He's in Kenya, and another person from Kenya, but I have to ask them when I'm there. Okay. And in front of me, there is another person. She's interested, they are from India. Neha, Gunela Astbrink 1:02:24 Neha, how do you spell Klaus Hoeckner 1:02:27 from India. Gunela Astbrink 1:02:30 All right, if you can put that in the chat or send an email, that would be great. Joly MacFie 1:02:37 If you claim if you could put those names in the chat Klaus and I could copy them into the Gunela Astbrink 1:02:44 Yeah. And, and it would be good to have people who have a range of different disabilities. Like hearing impairment, or hearing loss, deafness, physical disability, cognitive disabilities, so we, we, we, we concentrate on people with vision impairment, which is, is a key group but it we need to spread a little bit wider, or while a lot wider. So that would be good too. So any other names that come up would be would be really useful. And, and then what we can do is ask, ask some who may wish to join a sub service on the leadership team, just informally. And we might wish to ask them to help with something in particular, and it can be to assist Jolie with taking minutes and and doing things like that. And it could be like doing social media, you know, things just to see see how we go. That that would be that would be really good. All right, fine. And and then once once they are involved, then it's a matter of if they wish to stand for any particular positions. And, and it might be that we don't have the same type of positions we've had this time around and Kyle was suggesting that there. Concentrate on on chair vice chair, the Chapter Advisory Committee liaison and and well when it comes to the action of Planning Officers, that that might be life In a general membership position, but that's for us to decide. That's really for us to decide how we want. Joly MacFie 1:05:11 It's the structure of leadership, you know, the idea of leadership means that, you know, basically that you're leading, but if everybody's a leader, you know, that's Gunela Astbrink 1:05:25 no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that then. Joly MacFie 1:05:31 So how people get around this sometimes in some situations I've seen is that they have what's known as a council. Hmm. So they have people join the council, so that then there's a wider group of people that can be kind of involved in consulted without being in positions the other way, you know, or you make an executive committee, which is a smaller group of people who actually do stuff, and have a wider group of people that are just, you know, I think I think it's, Gunela Astbrink 1:06:00 yeah, well, thank you, Sandra was too. There are so many different ways of doing this. And I think maybe we need to have a separate brainstorming session on that so we can get what we want. What will work for us best? Oh, no, not for us. When I say us, I mean, the accessibility standing group. Joly MacFie 1:06:27 So Paul, suggests President VP, and then what? Gunela Astbrink 1:06:34 Chapter Advisory Council? Yes. And I think they were the three that he specifically mentioned. Joly MacFie 1:06:42 Yeah. I mean, the admin role is a complete joke, because there's no nothing to do. Gunela Astbrink 1:06:49 You don't do anything at Jelly? Joly MacFie 1:06:51 Well, I'm not I'm no longer in the role. But I mean, when I got to it, there wasn't any anything to do. The only job was to like, basically, feed list mom for the for the Connect, that was the only way possible role and treasurer, obviously there's no role because that's down, you know, that's handled by ISOC. So, Gunela Astbrink 1:07:12 yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm going to suggest, we've only got five minutes left, really, and these are really, really fundamental issues about how we will operate in the future. And, and we want, we want the accessibility standard group to really become a strong group within ISOC. And, and the, the way we operate in terms of governance structures, and the people will help to make the difference going forward. So. So we need to talk in more detail rather than five minutes about the governance structures and also about our membership. And we touched on that, the last meeting. And that really, was to ensure that our membership, our broader membership are really people who are there, because they are concerned about disability and accessibility, rather than what we believe is that a number of people are there for affordable access to infrastructure, and so forth. And there's a variety of ways we can do that. We can send a message to standard group members asking about, you know, who has a disability? Who does disability advocacy. And they can, they can either respond on the list or they can send an email to us yesterday, I Joly MacFie 1:09:09 want to say that the whole thing that when they set up the standing groups versus the seagulls, we had it. Now, what you're describing is the kind of activity which was well within what we were doing as the sea, when they said understanding group, the whole thing was, you make the officers, the officers, you know, then we then conduct a like a, an exercise to define the projects, the projects were defined, approved, and the sanding group carries out the project. And that's the big sort of beginning and end of, of what the standing groups function is, is the whole idea of being to keep the things simple. So it's well defined, and everybody knows what's going on, and it's managed in that way. So expanding into this kind of thing is really beyond that, and really would be more the kind of thing that the accessibility that Ali said she could do, and we already gathered a lot of that information in our registration form. and everything. So we're, we're reinventing the wheel here. Gunela Astbrink 1:10:04 It's very frustrating. Well, I Joly MacFie 1:10:06 would say I would say that we should keep the access to the standing group and say, to the rulebook to, you know, render unto Caesar and do and try and achieve solid outcomes. And, and you go back and maybe use use the accessibility signals as a vehicle for this, for these wider kind of activities. Gunela Astbrink 1:10:29 Well, when you say wider activities, what activities do you mean, Joly MacFie 1:10:34 this kind of thing that you were just describing? Gunela Astbrink 1:10:38 No, no, no, what I was describing was to fine tune our membership. So that we, we, we emphasize to our membership, that this is for improving accessibility to the Internet. And, and, and to do that, we we are concentrating on people who have experience or have a disability to, to be members of, of the standing group. And, and because we, we want people to well, we want people to be elected, who are knowledgeable about accessibility, who, or have a disability themselves, not people who want to improve access, access to infrastructure. And and because we have such a large membership in that area, they could be voting in people who are concentrating on that which nearly happened. Right at the beginning. There were people who, who nearly got voted in who who have no knowledge about disability or accessibility at all. And I think there was a bit of a vote voting blocs. So that's the reason behind it. So how do people feel about having an extra meeting about this or concentrating at the next meeting? Mainly on this topic, and, and may be adding a few other things if needed. Joly MacFie 1:12:56 Presumably, when by the next meeting, all the IGF proposals will be gone in and filed in history. So we'll have you know, time on our home. Gunela Astbrink 1:13:05 We will, we will. So that will be that will be done. This likely they'll met, there might be something to discuss about the online training course, which is a fundamental part of what we do. But we should we should be able to concentrate on that. So let's let's try for their next meeting. Joly MacFie 1:13:31 Oh, cool. Well, an action item. Gunela Astbrink 1:13:33 Sure. And we could then we could have a meeting. If we're doing the rotation, it's going to be unpopular with some people that Joly MacFie 1:13:49 we didn't do. We didn't do that because any other business yet. I'll say that. Gunela Astbrink 1:13:52 No, no, no, I know. I know. I've got out any other business too. So we'll just since we're talking about the next meeting, we'll just put in the date and time for the meeting, which is a suggested 13th of June. It's on a Tuesday at 2300 UTC, which is terrible for you, Klaus I know. Yep. See? Is that is that your European holiday? So around that time? No, Klaus Hoeckner 1:14:29 no, no, no, July? Gunela Astbrink 1:14:31 July. Okay. Joly MacFie 1:14:33 There's not when the ITF is happening in DC. Something? Gunela Astbrink 1:14:39 Yes, you could be right. And it's also around the time of the of the DC ICANN meeting. Okay, Bhaskar. Thank you very much. Joly MacFie 1:14:50 Sorry, the ICANN meeting. That's what I mean. I Gunela Astbrink 1:14:53 misspoke. Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. So 17 Pass. Ah, that guy did you want to before you leave? If you haven't already left? No, you haven't? Do you want to say a couple of words about that? That particular item under any other business, Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:15:18 okay. The thing is that, you know, for celebrating global accessibility on his day, we're going to organize the event here in Bangladesh by engaging all the senior officials, and also some non government organizations on 18. That we have physical meeting. And on 21st of May, we are going to organize a digital accessibility training is one day training on digital accessibility for one of the leading engineering universities called Bullitt. And is the number one university in Bangladesh for technology. Because they don't have any awareness about the digital accessibility. And lastly, we are going to organize the international roundtable, online roundtable with GT ICT on 30th May, and I think you are invited, all of you are invited to join in that. Okay. Joly MacFie 1:16:18 So, so could that be a webcast? The 30 is amazing. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:16:26 Yes, absolutely. That interview webcast and hopefully, I hope so. I hope so. I talked with them about that. But it was really is the June platform. Great. Joly MacFie 1:16:39 Nice. Good for me. So that would be what time of day would that be? Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:16:44 I think it is. In your morning time it is Bangladesh. Time is? Seven 7pm. So it is I think almost your morning. Joly MacFie 1:16:54 I'm gonna put it in for 9am. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:16:57 Yeah, I think so. Gunela Astbrink 1:17:00 Okay, that's great initiatives, fam, that Lashkar that that sounds very good. And if you send us the links, Joly MacFie 1:17:09 I would I would suggest that you do a mail to the to the Connect group, you know, to with with describing these, you know, people the listing these, these events. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:17:22 Yeah, I will promote it to Tatiana maze eventually be promoted to the Joly MacFie 1:17:27 there's also the the, you know, and so I'll just say on this same topic. That what the face from from ISOC? Who does the? Who does the communications? Who does the social media asked us if we were doing anything for God? And I said, No, but maybe we could do a blog post. And then she said, I could do a blog post. She said, so could you so I gave her the script, from the transcript from the community weak thing plus link to about, so maybe she's going to come up with something. But if, if, if we have this information, then I could forward it to her for inclusion in this and that should be done in the next few hours. You know what I mean? So if you could just Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:18:17 do you think if I send an article to her, I already dropped it an article, even though it is based on Bangladesh experience? Do you think she can published it? Joly MacFie 1:18:28 I think that's a separate issue. And there was a lady called April who was the chief content. April from Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:18:35 my article is based on global accessibility awareness day. Joly MacFie 1:18:38 Yeah. So I would say, oh, it email me separately on this okay with it with this information, and then we'll see if we can sort something out. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:18:50 Okay. Okay. I'll send you an article today to usually Yeah, Joly MacFie 1:18:53 but also on details of your events. Okay, briefly, you don't have to be a big thing. Just date, title. That's all that you need to put in. Okay. Okay. Okay. Vashkar Bhattacharjee 1:19:05 Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. So so I'm just leaving ahead. Thank you. Gunela Astbrink 1:19:11 That's, that's great. Thank you very much. Thank you, Scott. And, and I also want to thank Joly for working with the ISOC comms team to to get to get that blog going for for good. That's that's really good. So the only other thing I wanted to mention was I've been asked to speak at the the ICANN 77 meeting online, which is happening mid May and I'm trying to find the particular dates. But in any case, this is on internationalized domain names. and universal acceptance, which is all ICANN domain name industry speak. And and they are certain issues for screen reading uses there when it comes to non ASCII scripts, and I'm not going to go into detail it's it's an area that we need to know more about. There needs to be a project on this. I've got some information through a contact via an amateur. I've got some information through to bear. And and it's something that I think ICANN needs to look at. And and Shelby is likely to be speaking at that particular session at the ICANN 77 s as a person who is Joly MacFie 1:20:56 not in June. Gunela Astbrink 1:20:59 You know, it's in June, it's in June. It's middle of June. Yeah. Joly MacFie 1:21:03 That's the one in DC. That's the one Gunela Astbrink 1:21:06 in DC Yes. And the North American School of Internet governance is running just before that. Joly MacFie 1:21:12 I'm going to DC to webcast the the DNSSEC. Myself, Oh, good. Gunela Astbrink 1:21:21 That's excellent. Because that's, that's all about digital inclusion. That should be a really, really good session. Okay, so All right. We are nearly there. We are nearly there. We need to just set a date. And if we can't do it straight away, we'll do it online. Just trying to get this Joly MacFie 1:21:56 is okay. For me. I mean, I'm going down to do the school of Internet governance. And I'll be, but I'll drive back. You know, on this on on the Monday or, or something, you know what I mean? Gunela Astbrink 1:22:10 Yeah. Okay. So yeah. The the ICANN meeting is between the 12th and the 15th of June, so I don't think it will affect any of us. It's probably only me. Joly MacFie 1:22:25 Dude, today for the cause would be very involved. If you'll be cavorting. Gunela Astbrink 1:22:33 Well, it's a hometown. So it's absolutely so yes. Okay. All right. Let's, let's just work on that. That date, because that could be. Yeah, it could be difficulties for a couple of us. Okay, so put a question mark next to the next one. I Joly MacFie 1:22:58 mean, it's fine. It's like 2300 to 7pm. East Coast. So anybody who is here, you know, it's not a bad time for them. Gunela Astbrink 1:23:09 So what time do you just say the East Coast? 7pm 7pm. Okay. So I can imagine Judas doing cocktails and stuff like that at that time. Klaus Hoeckner 1:23:22 For me, it's 1pm in the morning. Gunela Astbrink 1:23:25 When I Yes, yes, it's not. Klaus Hoeckner 1:23:28 That's not Yeah, I can read. I can read the many other minutes. Gunela Astbrink 1:23:37 It's a shame. So Carrie, I think it's midnight for you. Is it? Yama Zakari 1:23:45 Yes, it's yes. It's midnight for me. But no problem. I will be. I can attend. Gunela Astbrink 1:23:53 We can attend. Okay, great. All right. Okay. Well, let's, let's try. And I'm sorry, class. I know. It's it's hard. It's hard with these times on her. Let's, let's try for that date. And as we get closer, we'll we'll see. See if it still works for us. And we'll concentrate as we said on the governance of the ASG and membership and so forth. Thank you very much for keeping keeping going with us longer than Then. Then. To schedule time. There's always so much to talk about. Any other comments, any other questions before we finish? Great, okay. Okay. All right. Thank you, and we'll see each other in line. Swaran Ravindra 1:24:53 Thanks. Thanks, everyone. Have a good day. Thank you in six hours, so Yama Zakari 1:25:01 Okay Okay, see you next. Thank you. Gunela Astbrink 1:25:08 Okay, bye bye bye Transcribed by https://otter.ai